Monday, May 19, 2008

Obama: The False Prophet

The Blogg Is Back.

The links below are old news, but interesting to note. For all the silly cultural wedge politics about Obama being a left-wing nut/Second Coming of Progressive Politics, on one key issue (maybe the key issue), he is substantially more centrist than Klinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html

(this guy is a well-respected center-left economist)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/sen-obama-please-no-mor_b_49920.html

(old and shrill in tone, but I think its underlying point is right)

I didn't necessarily recognize it right away, but the mandate thing seems to be an important difference. Maybe the West Virginia hicks weren't so stupid after all.

Now mind you, I will most certainly vote for Obama against McCain. Many times, if possible. But I think it's important to stay clear-headed about what he represents and what he does not. He is a centrist democrat, which is fine if that's what you support. But Obama is totally unsatisfactory from a social-democratic perspective, and I don't think he has any business enjoying the kind of rabid support from young left-wingers that he does.

Of course many people try to defend him on the grounds that "he needs to say this stuff to get elected." But I don't buy this. The Republicans don't seem to hesitate pushing for what they truly believe in, and it hasn't seemed to hurt them too badly in the post-Reagan era. If Obama believes in more left-wing policies then his policy recommendations should reflect that. He could compromise later on down the road if he had to. Besides, he's gonna get ripped up and down by the right-wing for "nationalizing healthcare" even under his current mushy pro-insurance industry plan, so he might as well throw something real out there.

Mike's Reply:

"I have to disagree slightly, of course. An important note in the second article is that Obama has already said that a single-payer system would be ideal. He would certainly support that plan. But, regardless of how outspoken or up front about it he is on that point, it is far from a political winner at the moment. Maybe after the election it will be a different story. (Hopefully with greater Dem majorities in both houses.)

Also, the mandate of coverage is the primary (only?) difference between the two plans, and Clinton's plan is no less a rearranging of the "deck chairs" than Obama's plan because it too still primarily relies on private insurance to cover everyone. Thus, to say that Obama's plan is "more centrist" is not necessarily true.

Republicans haven't been afraid to push their beliefs because for whatever reason the country has been behind them, and because their issues are generally the easy way and simple-minded solutions. (i.e. - "lower my taxes") Democrats generally have nuanced positions, and which require people to sacrifice things (such as tax dollars) that people are less willing to support. There is one big exception to this in current times. With respect to the Iraq War, although the solution is not necessarily simple-minded, the notion of "Get Out Now" is simple, and a majority of the country already backs it. Yet, "centrist" Dems have a point that there are logistical and possibly human rights issues that would have to be addressed, and makes their policy position (which requires a longer stay that the left would find unacceptable).\

My point is that Obama coming out strong for a single-payer system doesn't move the ball forward at all, especially if he isn't going to have a Congress that would pass it. I'm sure he's polled the issue, and right now it's probably a loser. It does no sense for him to grab on to an issue that issue going to allow him to win. However, once he gets into office, the House and Senate can put forth incredibly leftist plans that are closer to single-payer, and he can use the bully pulpit to drum up support for those plans."


My Reply to Mike's Reply:

Noting that "a single payer system would be ideal" is not a fair equivalent of "supports" or "proposes." What he truly believes in his deepest heart's soul is not a terribly relevant consideration with respect to his palatibility as a candidate for political office. His likely policy proposals and bill signings while in office, as predicted by his Senate term and his campaign proposals, are the only relevant considerations.

Klinton's plan sucks too, no question. Anything less than a hard push for a single-payer system is a nearly unforgivable offense for a Democrat in my book. But even if Klinton's mandate is the only difference, it is a significant difference both in terms of the likely effectiveness of the plan and how "left" or "centrist" it is. According to the research Krugman cites, Klinton's plan would cover more people at a greater overall cost (but at a lower cost per person) than Obama's plan. Advocating a public policy that delivers less public services to less people at a lower cost in terms of total public funds, as Obama does, is the very definition of "more centrist," at least as I understand the concept. Obama's mandate-less plan also allows better health risks (i.e., young and healthy workers) to opt out of the system and therefore put more pressure on the rest of the risk pool (i.e., "adverse selection"). The notion that better risks should have the right to opt out of a social insurance system (like, say, allowing high earners to opt out of Social Security) is a fundamentally anti-redistributive and conservative idea. Finally, the idea that the consumer is ultimately sovereign and should have the right to decide that buying healthcare is not in his or her best interest is a fundamentally conservative, free-market idea. Obama's plan observes this fiction while Klinton's "mandate" does not.

And I think it's a real chicken-and-egg thing with the whole "the American electorate just won't buy progressivism" thing. If it had been seriously pitched in the last 30 years by a charismatic, legitimate candidate with the whole might of the Democratic Party behind them, who knows where we'd be now? The fact is that the Republicans have effectively marketed a right-wing ideology for the last 30 years and the Democrats have poorly marketed a centrist ideology during that time. This was not inevitable, and there's no reason to just assume it couldn't be reversed if the will were there. If the polling doesn't support real social democratic policies right now then the Dems need to get out there and pound the pavement more, or else what's the point of having the party if it's just a mirror reflection of current polling numbers? Polling numbers probably support prayer and anti-evolution teaching in schools, banning gays from the military, and maybe even outlawing abortion, but you don't see Dems just conceding those issues. They push for them, as they should for a single payer plan do if they valued the policy goals and philosophy that support it. Besides, we all know it's the insurance lobby and not the polling numbers that provides the limit on healthcare policy.

Once again, the Democrats will be called anti-American socialists no matter how centrist they get. They might as well make proposals with some teeth if they really value social democratic policy goals. Bottom line for me: Obama's plan is both more centrist than, and inferior to, Klinton's plan, and the Democrats have no excuse for being so centrist that I'm willing to accept.

39 comments:

  1. I disagree that policy proposals and bill signings are the only relevant considerations. Stating that a a single-payer system would be ideal implies that he would sign such a bill. And it certainly doesn't indicate he would campaign against the idea either. I think what a politician believes in his heart's soul is incredibly important. This is evidenced by turning the example around. For example, if you had to choose between two candidates proposing an absurd regressive tax plan, would you vote for the one who really believes in the plan or the one who might later be willing to sign something more progressive?
    The bottom line is that personal ideology matters, even if it isn't feasible to always display it.

    Even John Edwards, newly christened populist and RFK reincarnated, had a plan not much different from Klingon's. If you subscribe to Edwards' image as a candidate fighting against the Two Americas how do you explain his position on health care reform?

    Again, the answer is that the political system does not always allow you to put forward the ideas you want to govern with, assuming you want to be elected to govern. Looking at Ryan's examples, I would first argue that anti-evolution and mandated prayer in school do not garner majority support. And I know for a fact that outlawing abortion outright is also a minority position. (A recent ABC news poll from Dec. 07-Jan 08, available at http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm, indicates that only 15 percent would make abortion illegal in all circumstances and an additional 25 percent responded it should be illegal in most circumstances.) But if those were in fact the majority opinions,you would clearly not be running a campaign which emphasizes the opposite view. You don't see campaigns run on raising taxes to 50% or allowing gays in the military (at least in close districts) because they aren't winning arguments. So, if you are a candidate there and support those things, you shut up about it until people are persuadable.

    This is not the same as governing by polls or taking positions merely to reflect polling numbers. Because the other thing about polling is that pollsters can test which messages move people, and candidates can determine on which issues they can push and persuade and on which issues they face an unwilling public. If you are a candidate trying to get elected, why would you push on an issue that is surely going to lose you the race? As a canddate you have to choose your battles.

    Taking what might be called "strategic" positions on particular issues is no different from strategic voting, or if you prefer voting for the lesser of two evils. You have to act a certain way (vote or take a position) or else the worst outcome results (the other guy wins). I do not want Obama (or Clinton or Edwards either) to be a martyr for universal health care if it means 4 or 8 more years of McCanaanite health care.

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  2. Two things:

    1. I am in general a fan of Krugman, but he has shown himself to be very willing to use his convincing econ expertise and Daily Show sensibilities to fight for his friends, the Clintons. He has on a few occasions been caught with his hand in the untruth jar. Cass Sunstein from TNR usually nails him on it:

    Example here

    2. I find it harsh to say Obama doesn't have "any business enjoying the kind of rabid support from young left-wingers that he does."

    He may not have been down for dressing up in a flightstuit and stealing the sign from the "center for property rights", but he's more one of us than Clean Tone.

    We can find fault with his healthcare plan, but that alone doesn't disqualify him from potentially being our country's most Indie Rock President. Much of the Obama-pride coming from young left-wingers has nothing to do with his stance (real or perceived) on healthcare. It is more a result of his unwaivering Iraq position, or that he seems to do a lot less pandering to the mainstream (i.e., his gas tax stance, or his candor about prior drug use). And although John McGoodbar, Hillary Klondike, and Barack O'Henry are all multimillionaires, given Obama's background and how he made his money, if his trajectory lands him in the White House, I would still see it as something of a political feat for the left.

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  4. You beat me to it on Jack Klugman. I agree very strongly with point 1. And I agree with point 2. Damn, I don't have much to add here. How about some addition Presidential candidate name skroo-upz: Bar-Rock O'Whammy, John M. Clean, and Honduras Crazytown.

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  5. I think the poll I cite in my next post pretty much breaks your argument, Mike. The fact is that a single payer health care system is actually a pretty popular proposal. So there is a feasible way for Obama to display his alleged left-wing views, if he actually had them. He hasn't done it.

    The debate about what a candidate "truly believes" is largely academic. It matters only if you think that there's some political constraint in place right now that is preventing the candidate from saying what he or she truly believes now, but that that constraint may disappear in the near future. Again, look at the poll I cite in the next post. The supposed present constraint is an imagined one.

    And come on, I never said Edwards was "RFK reincarnated." All of these criticisms apply equally or almost equally to Klinton and Edwards, I granted that from the start. I'm saying Obama is a very centrist candidate, not that Klinton and Edwards weren't.

    And fine, maybe Krugman is pro-Klinton. But he wasn't citing his own facts, he was citing the conclusions of a high-profile study by legit economists. Do you guys know of some flaw in the study? Is he mischaracterizing its conclusions in some way? I don't think saying Krugman is pro-Klinton and has bent the truth a few times over the years gets you anywhere at all on this one without something more.

    But here's what I really want to say. Chris said:

    "He may not have been down for dressing up in a flightstuit and stealing the sign from the "center for property rights", but he's more one of us than Clean Tone."

    Everyone says this. Where the hell are they getting it from? What policy proposal? What part of his economic agenda? Candor about past drug use and being buds with Bill Ayers gets you jack shit in my book without a real social democratic agenda to go along with it. His healthcare plan, his tax plan, and his views on social policy are all hideously "mainstream," at times more so even than Klinton's. I totally disagree that there's some special hidden leftist victory in an Obama presidency (apart from the obvious victory of denying McCain the presidency - but any Democrat could do that). Smart, handsome, charismatic young black guys can be centrist too. And that's what Obama is, every bit as much as Klinton. There are literally billions of legitimate reasons to support Obama, but being more "left" than the other Democratic candidates is not one of them.

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  6. Chris I find your example of Krugman's use of "untruth" highly unmoving. Big deal, Krugman made it look like the Republicans were completely behind cap-and-trade policies. Regardless, I don't see anything at all wrong with criticizing Obama for latching on to a conservative approach to environmental regulation. Plus, Obama had to throw in that whole anti-bureacracy thing. Come to think of it, your reference bolsters my overall argument (that Obama is centrist and undeserving of enthusiastic support from the left) more than it does yours...

    Interestingly, Sunstein is a centrist-as-hell U. of Chicago law professor who writes articles about how the "precautionary principle" (or the idea that polluters should have to clearly demonstrate that a certain practice is not harmful) should not be used in making environmental policy. I think it's telling that this is the kind of guy Obama has rushing to his defense.

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  7. No, he's not further left on policy but isn't there something to be said for aesthetics here? Something has to break the near tie. Yes, we both don't give a shit about that nonsense but I think it helps mobilize the young folk and olde tyme '60s lefties which, in turn, creates the potential to do some awesome crazy shit in the near feature.

    In summation, I agree with your final sentence, Ryan.

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  8. Ryan, I gotta ask what's gained by blowing the lid the left's superficial support of The Bammer? While I think you're factually correct, I really don't mind the rabids so much. And I'm glad people give a shit this time out. Many were too apathetic in '04. I guess my point is I'll take the BFBs (Buds for Bammer) over the far lefty non-voters and L'cain Dems and Indies anyday of any week. I consider them allies at this point.

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  9. Sure, that's fine. I also believe that Obama is probably the better choice from the standpoint of beating McCain, and that's why I "support" him at this point. But the credit he gets goes well beyond mere strategic calculation (and like we said has nothing whatsoever to do with policy). It just bugs me that it's the aesthetics that get people going, and the policy is an afterthought. I know that's "just how it is" and all, but it's fucking irritating.

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  10. And please bear in mind I read only about 50% of your original entry and comments. I got shit to do, Jack.

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  11. I hear you. It is certainly irritating.

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  12. Hey I say this stuff about Bammer to my left-wing friends, not on the General Airwaves. Trust me, I won't "blow the lid." I will beg and decieve people into voting for Obama if need be. But it's the superficiality of the whole debate within the Democratic party that really annoys me. I know it shouldn't get to me at this point, but it does.

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  13. Ryan,

    Just to make clear, I never thought you had claimed Edwards was RFK reincarnated. I've heard it elsewhere. My point in bringing Edwards into it is that I believe Edwards, Clinton and Obama are all personally supportive of a single-payer system but cannot grab that issue.

    The poll you cite illustrates my point. Looking at the number of those who favor "universal coverage" is a question given in the abstract. It's when people are asked to make certain sacrifices, such as limited waits for elective procedures,that people drop off precipitously (22 points in the poll Ryan cites). This is not an imagined constraint. Instead it is the difference between an abstract change, and a change that actually costs something.

    Additionally, despite the fact that Obama's proposal partially continues to operate through the private insurance industry, he has still proposed a national health care plan, a public government plan, for anyone who wants it.

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  14. Re: Paul Giggles
    I read that Krugman op-ed awhile back but I hadn't read that thing Chris linked. My issue with Krugman is one of style. I think he's exaggerated the policy differences between K and O'B with his prose. I wouldn't say he's done anything dishonest. It's simply very clear that he's gone out of his way a bit to defend Clinton. I think it's similar to what F. Rich has done with O'Banger.
    Re: this debate
    Yeah, I guess this blogggggg probably won't reach that level where it sways anyone in any direction. Continue to lid blow! At least it revived the bloq.

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  15. Mike, I think you're badly misreading the poll. Americans are notorious babies about higher taxes, but they overwhelmingly favor a single-payer plan even at the cost of tax increases (#48). That's pretty big. If we were to put serious money towards the plan, most of the other tradeoffs you mention would be irrelevant.

    But the big thing is the comparison to Canada (#41). There, all the sacrifices and tradeoffs are in effect and are plain to see. It is a real world example of the net improvement of a highly imperfect, underfunded single payer system with all of the supposed downside effects that may go along with it. Only 29% think our system is better than Canada's, and 37% think Canada's is better than ours. The rest think it would be the same or have no opinion.

    I think it is a very strained reading of this poll to say that it establishes that a single payer system would be a nonstarter. At the very least, it establishes the potential viability of the plan as a proposal. And as I keep repeating, this whole election will turn on symbolic and cultural politics, not policy. Obama will be dubbed a "socialist" no matter what a sellout he becomes and those who are inclined to believe it will do so. I find it next to impossibile to imagine people defecting from Obama's camp to any noticeable extent if he instead advocated a single payer system. Either they like his style, intellectual manner, his blackness, and his charisma or they don't. Policy is almost a nonfactor in this election. There is no way I buy that he could not push for this without suffering unacceptable political blowback.

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  16. Also note the trend reflected in #48. That's a significant change, and I can't imagine that it stopped in 2003. Clearly the tradeoffs are looking a lot less daunting and a single payer system is looking far more appealing as time goes on.

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  17. Number 48 only addresses the issue of taxes. 49-51 indicate what is really the sticking points.

    Also, the comparison to Canada doesn't say anything other than the average American's belief that "anything, by default, has got to be better than what we have now" given the high dissatisfaction numbers. You and I know that Canada's system is "there for all to see" but what's the likelihood that the polling sample actually reflects that?

    I do not contend that this poll alone suggests that the issue is a nonstarter. And you are certainly right that this poll suggests there is strong support for reform. But the poll does demonstrate significant resistance to a single payer system, and other polls must suggest the same, otherwise Obama Edwards and Clinton would be pushing it.

    Do you honestly think that any of those three would refuse to sign a "Medicare for All," single payer bill?

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  18. No, I may have overstated my case in previous posts. I agree, each of the three would sign a "Medicare of All" bill. But of course that's no reason to staunchly back any one candidate over the other. I blame all three equally for not pushing it, and I blame supporters of each for not demanding it.

    The poll results are ambiguous, but I think they suggest that single payer would sell. And I think they clearly indicate that there is no hard political wall barring a single payer proposal. Bear in mind that no one was pushing single payer in 2003, so it probably wasn't on as many Americans' radar as it is today. The tides have turned distinctly against the Republicans and towards some kind of universal health care plan since that time. As Democrats they should try to seize the moment.

    And even if we go off the least favorable plausible estimate and say support for single payer is at about 40%, that would not hurt Obama. W. Box won in 2004 despite seriously sagging support for the Great War, the main policy that defined his administration. Policy preferences get totally overshadowed by the cultural politics struggle. Since I don't think it would hurt him at all even under the least favorable possible circumstances (a scenario that I frankly do not think we are now in), I think he should be advocating single payer. I think he is not doing so in part to keep an overly-friendly relationship with the insurance and business lobbies. I hold this against him. And because he is not, I am distinctly unexcited about his policy agenda. Obama is a smarter, blacker, more charismatic John Kerry.

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  19. Well now wait a second. There's aesthetics and there's aesthetics...

    Candidates losing because they don't wear flag pins or because their laugh is deemed a cackle, in the absence of serious policy debate, is bullshit. And so is victory assured only by race or sex.

    But that people are consciously voting for a candidate primarily because he visually and verbally delivers a refreshingly eloquent and multicultural hue to the Office, and is not issue of another Washington family dynasty, has some merit, even if it does steer clear of an informed policy debate.

    Viewed from abroad, I can say that the election of Obama would do wonders to restore faith and goodwill towards the US from our long time allies in Europe and possibly elsewhere. The whole continent will breath a sigh of relief and say, almost literally, "Wow, look, a descendant of slaves and Rodney King who was against the war in Iraq has just been elected President. Maybe Michael Moore is wrong--the American Dream does exist." Obviously that's a lod of shit, but it has its benefits. Clinton, although domestically she'd be just as welcome a change from Bush, just doesn't have that magical power to wow.

    And while it may sound superficial, I think that such magic is an important qualification to take into account when electing the Leader of the Free World to replace a disastrous represantative career like Bush's.

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  20. Not to be a dick, but I honestly think that's all total garbage. I mean, I hope it helps him beat McLoin and all, but it does nothing to make me more enthusiastic about him. Rehtorical eloquence and being the son of an African intellectual immigrant mean absolutely nothing to me, and I think they should mean absolutely nothing to others as well. While Obama may have a "multicutlural hue," he is not the son of slaves and knows as little about the experience of growing up in the black American community as we do.

    What I think should matter is whether he will implement policies that broadly reduce/eliminate economic and racial inequality. He is distinctly unsatisfying in this regard. A black-ish president, just like the occasional black CEO, does not merely by his own individual success do anything at all to reverse the ever expanding wealth gap between white and black and rich and poor. The ghettos will not rise in a great inspired unity to get PhDs just because they look on the TV and see a somewhat black face. If the poor could be so inspired out of their poverty, then we could have solved poverty long ago by listening to the Republicans.

    If Europe would get that much more excited about Obama then they're as superficial as American liberals. Besides, I'm more concerned with domestic policy than satisfying European preferences. They have their own problems to take care of (viz., Sarkozy and Merkel) before they worry about us anyway.

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  21. Ryan,

    Who is, or would be, a satisfying candidate for president, assuming you could pick anyone?

    I agree that Barack et al. should be pushing more for a single payer system, but I have to fall back on them knowing more than I do about the chance of electoral success. I think where we disagree most is over his motives for proposing the health care plan he does. You assume Obama's motives are to be "overly friendly" with business and insurance, without anything other than the substance of the plan to go on. I choose to believe, having talked to the man before he was even running for President or had been elected to the Senate, that he will pursue all those things you mention about reducing economic and racial inequality.

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  22. Mikey,

    Not sure. Kucinich is ok, but he is a nerdy little dude so he could never be a serious presidential candidate. He would need a bigger dick and a smaller brain to be a serious contender. I certainly have met people on the planet that I would enthusiastically support. But I guess none of them make the cut in terms of presidential politics. It's not news that my views fall well outside of the mainstream, but, obviously, I am correct and the mainstream is mistaken.

    You are right that I am speculating as to Obama's motives. That's all I can do. I can't read the guy's diary or rifle through his trash. At least, not legally. But your proposed explanation is just as speculative, and I don't think a pleasant casual exchange with him long ago gives you anything firmer than I have. There has to be some motivation behind his notable failure to advocate for single payer (which he supposedly endorses in his innermost eternal soul) or even a mandate, and as I have exhaustively argued, I don't think it comes from the electorate. We all know the insurance lobby is pretty potent. I think it's a pretty reasonable theory, and ultimately more compelling than the "American people won't accept it" theory.

    But by all means, enjoy wallowing in the sweet, squalid waters of your Optimism Swamp. I will remain skeptical for now, but open to being pleasantly surprised down the road.

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  23. Hey, I think most of it is garbage too. And I agree 100% that an Obama presidency without massive policy shift and heavy on rhetoric won't inspire away the major US race-poverty problem.

    But I do think there's something to be said for the inspirational power he seems to have on people Stateside, which could bring about some sort of "Let's Fix This Fucking Country" Civic Responsibility Revolution, or allow him to get away with governing far more progressively once in office (your debate with Mike).

    You are maybe correct that holding on to such beliefs is tantamount to a compass-less hike through a foggy bog of naive optimism, but my own personal decisions regarding where to live and how to affect change leave me little else when it comes to American presidential politics.

    I have already prepared myself for the major disappointment that will be his losing to McCain because he has no Presidential Medal of Bamboo Shoved Up My Ass in Vietnam Distinguished Millitary Career, as well as the disappointment of his Presidency when he doesn't turn it into the United States of McCoy 609.

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  24. Let me make another thing clear:

    My ideal vacation would be a 2-week trip to the States where I could drive around the country squirting grape juice in the eyes and on the tight ringer tees of Brooklynites and Oregonians, such is my annoyance with the American hipster left movement.

    But is it fair to begrudge the left for the fact that their centrist candidates do so much better nationally than their leftist candidates?

    I agree, Obama's candidacy is like Janet Jackson's bared nipple. You forget about the pervasive conservative political-cultural context in the US, you read the reports about what happened and all the excitement and ohmygodican'tbelieveit, and then you download the video footage and you're like, "is that it?????"

    But who's really to blame?

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  25. I don't think ringer tees are that hip anymore. I propose we hit as many shitty hipster beer bars we can and pour their Hopsation/Hoplosion: The Ultimate Hop Ass Fuck beers on their heads.

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  26. I am not optimistic about the prospects for Obama causing a "Civic Responsibility Revolution." And I know we have a strong tradition of economic individualism here, but I do think that that is at least in part a chicken-and-egg phenomenon, as I explained earlier in the thread. The Dems haven't aggressively defended/advanced the New Deal/welfare state agenda. That could be partially to blame for its current lack of political currency. But who knows.

    On an unrelated note, when/why did you latch on to this whole "a Mac Muffin Presidency is inevitable" thing? Polls show a small Dem lead, usually right around the margin of error. It will be a hearty battle, and it could go either way. But the Dems have to get the 3-point spot in the Vegas line.

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  27. Good call Casey. The tyrrany of the Hopocracy has gone on for too long.

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  28. Our mission to overthrow the Hopocracy will begin with this dirt bag.

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  29. To answer Ryan's question, here are my top 10 reasons, in no particular order, why we should still be very worried about a Michael Caine presidency (or, what could come up again and again between now and November to destroy the Obama ticket):

    1. John McCain's war record

    2. Obama's "bitter" comments repeated ad nauseum

    3. Michelle Obama's "first time proud of my country" clip, also repeated ad nauseum

    4. "String-That-Darky-Up-A-Tree" Voters (link here)

    5. Hillary Clinton, The Return

    6. Barack Obama's middle name

    7. A car blows up in NY and Al-Qaeda is implicated; suddenly no one needs health care or economic stimulus or hurricane relief or education reform or any change at all

    8. Schwarzenegger chosen as McCain running mate

    9. Gotta love that gas tax holiday

    10. Obama "change" message backfires as John McCain campaigns on a message of "we're under fire, we need to return to traditional values and pull together, not take a chance on a black muslim with no experience who couldn't unify his own party and never tasted the glory of modern battle for his country"

    10(b). Bruce Willis publicy endorses McCain, calling him the "John McClane" of politics, ready to kill all terrorists and return control of Nakatomi Plaza over to hardworking Americans.

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  30. Nice find with the poll, Casey. That should largely address your concerns, Chris. Don't get me wrong, I'm worried. But on this issue I'm cautiously optimistic. You have to remember, for all of their centrism, most Americans are not hardcore Republicans and O'Sandwich has to fight to distinguish himself from Bioxx while simultaneously pushing for identical policies. Perhaps in Europe you have not noticed that W. P. Mayhew is massively, historically unpopular right now. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/ .

    And yes, let's freakin' get that guy. How the F. does he get a NYT write-up? The microbew revolution is totally late-90's. Tired of "Olde News"?

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  31. Re: 10(b)
    Hans Gruber would never let that happen. McCain/McClane will have to pry those negotiable bearer bonds out of he and Karl's cold dead hands. Although...will Argyle be part of McLoin's cabinet?

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  32. Hahaha:

    "...his father was a food photographer. He spent summers on the Suarez family farm in Ecuador, milking goats and eating fresh cheese, salting it as he spread it on toasted corn."

    A "food photographer"? Goat cheese on toasted corn? Most criminal of all human garbages. He should run an Olde-Timey Apple Butter facility.

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  33. Re: Bush's record-low approval rating.

    Thist article illustates to me the crux of the problem with American politics and with a system of government where political parties barely exist and stand for nothing.

    The word "Republican" does not appear once in that premptive eulogy of an article.

    So everybody disapproves of Mayhew, so what? That doesn't mean they disapprove of McCluean. I see everything Bush has done as a good enough reason on its own not to support a candidate from the same party, but people like my father don't. The burden lies with Obama to make the McCain-Bush connection, which is just fucking retarded.

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  34. And he was sparging too hot. Grab a fuckin' clue, Suarez.

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  35. Not true. One policy people seem to actually pay attention to is the candidates' position/philosophy on Iraq/Middle East foreign policy. Sir Loin's position intimately associates his campaign with the Bread Company's administration in the eyes of Human Voters.

    Also, what about the 8-pt. lead poll? Sure, McLoin has his arguments and his plugs and there will be many people who will support him. But I can't see how the currently available facts support your pessimism.

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  36. "Also, what about the 8-pt. lead poll? Sure, McLoin has his arguments and his plugs and there will be many people who will support him. But I can't see how the currently available facts support your pessimism."

    You gaywad science types can rely on facts.

    I am going with my gut.

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  37. Well you got me there Kris. Also, I like how the Bloque has turned into a multi-tiered, topical instant messanging platform.

    Who said the Blogk was dead!!??

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